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Faith, Reason, Logic and Arrogance

Posted in Observations and Notes by juned on the May 12th, 2008

There are those who believe that faith is to trust and to believe in something. It could be faith in a person or it could be faith in something else. Such faith can be seen between parents and children, brothers and sisters, friends and comrades. It is also seen as trust to a divine being.

Benj wrote a post, The Arrogance of Faith. It made me think about faith.My Faith and this is because faith is a personal thing. Outside of that it does have a tendency to be arrogant. Same as intellect. Outside of the individual it does have a tendency to becomes arrogant as well. I think this is true when one tries to impose rather than converse.

Faith as the belief in a supreme being or set of beings is personal. This is so because it needs acceptance. Religion may be imposed but Faith in a particular religion or any set of beliefs needs personnal acceptance.

Is Faith arrogant? Yes and No

Is Reason arrogant? Yes and No

But let me digress, because I remember two tales about Galileo and the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). And the dispute involved the nature of the universe in particular our solar system and to be specific the arrangements of the planets vis-à-vis the Sun. At the time the RCC believed the Earth, our world, to be the center of the solar system. Copernicus and Galileo believed otherwise. And in particular Galileo was questioned by the churchmen/ the Inquisition.

Two statements came from that event:

(1)Galileo, your task is to describe the heavens and ours is how to go Heaven.

This came from a more enlightened bishop I would think. However, In the end the majority thought otherwise and forced Galileo to recant his theory that the Earth revolved around the Sun. But as Galileo walked away he was heard saying,(2) “But it does move!”

The story goes something like that there may be some inaccuracy but the gist is the same.

Faith has nothing to do with the natural world. Reason and logic has.

Faith becomes arrogant when it begins to impose its belief on a fellow man.

Same as science and reason when it tries to impose its belief on a fellow man.

But what about the concept of the Divine or the Supreme Being? Is Man arrogant in believing there is a God?

Maybe Man as the concept that believes concepts is arrogant. And this includes concepts and beliefs of both theists and atheists.

However, in terms on Man or men - Faith, Reason and Logic is not arrogance because it is a belief system and is not imposed on any other. Once it starts imposing its will on another then it becomes arrogant.

And maybe that is why persons of different beliefs whether they be atheists, theists, agnostics can critically discuss things or be engaged in a healthy discussions. Without reenacting the St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre or Massacre de la Saint-Barthélemy.

Mother Day and four stories

Posted in Observations and Notes by juned on the May 11th, 2008

There are four stories I remember today. It may or may not be of importance to those who celebrate today as Mother’s Day.

Story 1

There once was a priest who by fate, circumstances and talent one day became the Vicar of Christ - the Pope. Now there was a long ceremony that came about being the Pope. All the pomp and circumstances were observed from the Mitre, the Staff and the papal ring.

The Priest was so overtaken by events that he forgot to visit his Mother during the weekend. When he did remember he and his entourage (all sorts of priests, monks, nuns and lay persons) went to visit his mom on a saturday.

The fisherman’s hut his father had left his mother could not accomodate the Pope and his Court. So it was the Pope and his mother who was left inside the hut while the Court was outside trying to find an inn.

Inside the new Pope was estatic and telling his mother of his new position. Thinking that it pleased her. He even showed his ring, which was a symbol of power.

“Surely there is no other ring such its equal.”

At which point the new Pope’s mother looked at him and smiled her toothless grin. Then showed him her hand that had only one unadorned simple ring and said,” Remember son .. without this ring there would not be that impressive ring.”

And laughter from both mother and son were heard from the room.

Story 2

This is from Aesop.

One time in a village somewhere in the Mediterreanan. A boy got lost. His mother was despodent and cried .. no wailed for he missing son. She was shouting to and fro.

So much so that the whole village helped her to look for her son. The people of the village were busy searching and looking. They went up and below. They went sideways and whatever way in search for the son of the crying mother - who was still crying.

Then they heard a sound. It was the sound of foot steps. And it came from the entrance of the village. The one near the hills were village’s sheep lay.

It was the lost boy. It was later learned that he had taken a nap alongside near the sheep and he was awakened by the shouts and noise from the village - specially the long lamentations from his mother.

But this was much later. At the moment the mother stopped crying. Approached the son, hugged him, thanked the God but upper and lower and then … gave him a pretty power spank.

Story 3

Another fable from Aesop.

In a village nearby. They had caught a thief and was bringing to the village jail, which sort ofalso functioned as the village store house.

While the thief being brought to this jail. There was a commoition from the crowd. Aparentlly the thief’s mother was from the village, in the crowd and wanted to see him.

So they let her through and even helped her on top of the dogcart. As she was about to embrace the son. The son seemed to do the same but within a few seconds shoved her instead and turned his back.

Story Four

The story was penned by Theodore Geisel more famously known as Dr Seuss. It is one of my favorite stories.

And for obvious reasons (copyright) we cannot re-tell it. Suffice to say the story involved Horton the Elephant, Mayzie, Three Hunters and Morton. The story goes by name Horton Hatches the Egg and involves an egg, a vacation, trials & tribulations and the phrase:

I meant what I said, and I said what I meant. An elephant’s faithful, one hundred per cent!

And that my friends are four stories I remember this particular Sunny Sunday that coincidentally falls on the Second Sunday of May also known in the following countries:

Anguilla, Aruba, Australia, Austria, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belgium, Belize, Bermuda, Bonaire, Brazil, Brunei, Bulgaria, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Croatia, Cuba, Curaçao, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Ecuador, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Honduras, Iceland, India, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Latvia*, Malta, Malaysia, Myanmar, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Slovakia, South Africa, St. Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Switzerland, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, Ukraine, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela, Zimbabwe [Source]

Mothers come in all forms and shape. Sometimes we do not know it until they are gone.

So Happy Mother Days to all Mothers in form and Mothers in Spirit.

Now its time for a break at the bamboo grove …